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Preston’s Prelim Questions

QUESTIONS FOR JERRY MCDONALD, IN PREPARATION FOR A FORMAL WRITTEN DEBATE ON THE TOPIC OF THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST

Questions submitted to Jerry McDonald on 5-2-2011

 

1. ) With scriptural support please tell me at what point of time, and with what event (or events) were, (or will) all of God’s Old Covenant promises, made to Old Covenant Israel, fulfilled and His covenant relationship with them terminated / ended?

Response: The Old Testament Law ended at the cross (Col. 2:14). God’s relationship with Israel, as a nation, ended when Israel was carried away into Assyria captivity (2 Kings 17:1-6), but a remnant did return to rebuild the temple see Ezra, Esther and Nehemiah. All promises will have been fulfilled when Jesus returns in judgment upon the world (2 Pet. 3:9-11; 2 Tim. 4:1).

Clarification Question:

A.)  Did God have a covenant relationship with Judah before the cross?

B.)  If your answer is yes, did that Covenant relationship with Judah continue and remain valid after the cross?

C.)  Are you saying that some of the Old Testament ended at the Cross, but that some of it will remain valid until the end of time? If so, please give supportive scriptures.

I don’t know how to make this any clearer.  Nothing about the Covenant with Israel or Judah remained valid after the cross.  The Old law ended at the cross.  God’s relationship ended with Israel and Judah at the cross.  A remnant did return, but not as the children of Israel.  The only promises that continued after the cross were the promises of the church and the judgment.  If that isn’t clear enough then there is nothing I can do to help you.

 

2.) Please define, as specifically as possible, with scriptural support, “the law” that was / is the “strength of sin.” Response: The Law of Moses (1 Cor. 15:56). 

 

3.  With scriptural support, please tell me, at what point of time, and with what event (events), were (or will) all of the constituent elements of Daniel 9:24-27 completely fulfilled, and the seventy weeks of Daniel 9 ended?

Response: Daniel prophesies that this will begin when the remnant return to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple; for a detailed discussion of this event one can read the books of Ezra, Esther and Nehemiah. There would be 483 years (69 weeks) from this time to the coming of the Messiah. The coming of the messiah would bring about an end of sin (Jn. 1:29). Jesus’ work, life, death and resurrection would fulfill all prophecies (Jn. 17:4). All together, from the time of the return to rebuild the temple, to when the Messiah was cut off was 490 years (70 weeks). The Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem would bring about the destruction of temple, and the Jewish economy, and is the abomination of desolation prophesied in Daniel 9:27, according to Jesus (Mt. 24:15). I don’t know if this is what you are looking for or not, if not let me know.

 Clarification Question: Are you saying that the seventy weeks ended at the cross, but that the fall of Jerusalem occurred approx. 40 years after the end of the seventy weeks?  Yes.  The destruction of Jerusalem was not the 2nd coming, it was for the purpose of destroying the Jewish economy and the temple.

 

4.) With scriptural support, please tell me: When the faithful child of God dies physically today, where does their spirit go:

 

Response: A.) Abraham’s bosom? (or paradise in the hadean realm) Luke 16:22.

 

B.) Directly to heaven?

 

C.) If your answer is not #A or #B, please tell me specifically, with scriptural support, what happens to the spirit of the faithful child of God today, when they die physically.

 

5.) With scriptural support, please tell me what, if anything, Jesus has to do in order to completely fulfill the typological actions of the Old Covenant High Priest on the Day of Atonement, as depicted in Hebrews 9:24-28. Response: Jesus has died on the cross (Mt. 27:50). His death took the law of Moses away (Col. 2:15). He became our high Priest (Heb. 4:15). The day of Atonement was taken out of the way at the cross (Heb. 10:1-4). His death on the cross changed the law so he could become our high priest, (Heb. 7:12-14), and our tonement taking away our sins by the offering of himself (Heb. 10:10).

Clarification Question: Are you saying that the singular act of Jesus’ death on the cross completely fulfilled all of the typological actions of the Old Covenant High Priest on the Day of Atonement?  

Response:  How many ways do you want me to say it.  Jesus could not be our high priest under the law of Moses, it had to be changed.  The day of atonement ended at the cross.

 

6.) With scriptural support, please tell me: Is physical death the enemy of the child of God that is redeemed and cleansed by the blood of Jesus?  Response: No, Satan is the enemy of the child of God that is redeemed and cleansed by the blood of Christ. (1 Pet. 5:8). Physical death is a door way to be with Christ and Christians should look forward to it (Phil. 1:21-23).

 

If your answer is yes, please tell me, with scriptural support, in what way, and for what reason physical death is the enemy of the child of God? Response: It isn’t.

  

7.) When Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit in the garden, did they die the very day they ate of that fruit? Response: They died spiritually, that day. Physical death came into the world at that point, but they did not die physically that day (1 Cor. 15:21).

 

8.) Concerning the post resurrection, pre-ascension body of Jesus:

 

Was Jesus’ body his immortal, incorruptible body, or,

 

Was it the same, unchanged, unaltered body that he had prior to his death and resurrection?

 

Please specify, with scriptural support, which position you believe to be true.

 

Response: Jesus’ body was unchanged, unaltered as is seen from the fact that he ate with the disciples (Jn. 21:12-13), and showed them the nail prints in his feet and hands (Jn.20:18-20). His body was risen, this does not mean that it became immortal. Flesh and Blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 15:50-52).

 

9.) Concerning Revelation 11:15-19: With scriptural support, tell me as specifically as possible, at what point of time, and in what event (or events) all of the constituent elements of these verses were, or will be, fulfilled.

Those elements include:

The sounding of the seventh Trumpet

The kingdoms of this world becoming the kingdom of God and His Christ.

The time of the outpouring of the Wrath of God.

The time of the judgment of the dead.

The time of the rewarding of the (dead) prophets

The opening of the Temple of God (in heaven).

 

Response: Revelation 11:15-19 is a vision John had regarding the seven churches in Asia (Rev. 1:4,11) and the persecution that they were enduring. All of the things you listed above are to be kept in the context of the apocalyptic vision, not applied when and where you please.

Clarification Question: I fully agree that we should not apply the elements of these verses to “when and where you please.” So, are you saying that all six of the constituent elements listed  in Revelation 11:15-19 (and listed just above) were all fulfilled in the first century generation of the seven churches of Asia? Please clarify for me.  

Response:  I don’t know how to make this any clearer.  The only thing that was not fulfilled is final judgment of man, which will not happen until Christ returns to judge the world (Acts 17:30,31; 2 Tim. 4:1).

 

 I look forward to your clarification of these issues. Lord willing I will get to work on my first affirmative very shortly.

 

Don K. Preston

10) With scriptural support: Please tell me, as specifically as possible, what is the one thing, and the only thing, that keeps a person out of the presence / fellowship of God?  (If you believe that there are multiple things that keeps a person separated from God, please specify, with scriptural support, what those things are). Response: Life on this earth keeps one from the actual presence of God (Phil. 1:21-23). We have fellowship with God as long as we walk in the light (1 Jn. 1:7).

 

In Christ Jesus

Jerry D. McDonald

McDonald’s Preliminary Questions

Preston’s First Affirmative


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